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Verizon May Block Page Plus From Activating Non-Verizon Phones Aug 1

If you've been procrastinating on getting a non-Verizon phone like the Boost Mobile Moto G flashed to Page Plus Cellular it might be a good idea to do it ASAP or not at all. According to the latest in a long string of rumors, Verizon will block Page Plus from activating anything except Verizon and Page Plus branded phones sometime around August 1st.

The Aug 1 date comes from Page Plus dealer Kitty Wireless whose owner posted on Kitty Forums yesterday;

"We have additional confirmation today that this will very likely go into effect on Page Plus around 8/1. I'm starting to give this more credibility, since it's now confirmed from a second source close to the center of the issue."

The August 1 date seems believable given another Verizon MVNO, Selectel Wireless which lost its ability to activate non-Verizon phones on July 23, told it's dealers that the same thing could happen to Page Plus as soon as July 31.

Earlier versions of the rumor had the ban on non-Verizon phones not occurring until Page Plus got access to the LTE network. Losing the ability to activate "foreign" devices seems like a fair trade off for getting LTE. But with LTE believed to be at least a month away for Page Plus, the loss of the ability to use flashed Sprint, etc phones is likely to put a crimp in Page Plus activations for a month or two.

To make matters worse, Kitty says that many current Page Plus branded phones are appearing as "unknown" devices in the Page Plus system. That's the same status that's reported for flashed Sprint etc., phones. Unless Verizon's fixes that glitch if could render unsold phones in Page Plus and dealer's inventories worthless.

Whenever the ban goes into effect, it should have little effect on users who currently have a non-Verizon phone active on Page Plus. I expect that current devices will be grandfathered and will continue to work as long as the user doesn't do anything to the account that would cause a deactivation, such as putting a different phone on the account, doing an ESN reset to fix data issues or letting the account expire for non-payment. At least that's what happened when Verizon began blocking their prepaid phones from being activated on MVNOs several years ago. Verizon prepaid phones activated before the ban still work as long as they have been continuously active on the same Page Plus number.

Update: 7/30/14: Kitty has posted that the non-Verizon device ban on PagePlus "may" have been postponed until 12/31/14.

Update: 8/1/14: It's the end of the day on Aug 1 and PagePlus is still activating non-Verizon phones. It looks like this rumor was just another rumor.

Related:
Selectel Wireless Is No Longer Able to Activate Non-Verizon Phones
PagePlus Rumored To Be Getting LTE, Possibly as Soon as Next Month
Developing: Verizon May Block MVNOs From Activating Non-Verizon Phones


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  1. Ouch! Here's to hoping that they get the glitch worked out.

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  2. Does this affect Straight Talk iPhone 5 which runs on Verizon? I was thinking of activating a Straight Talk iPhone 5 on Page Plus - sometime in the future.

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    1. I wouldn't think so because they are officially approved devices. You can always ask someone at VZW.

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    2. I have one of those, too. I may have to flash it to Verizon, and then LTE will work.

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    3. I don't think we will know if Straight Talk phones will still be able to be activated on Page Plus until the ban goes into effect and someone tries it.

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    4. Do Verizon based Straight Talk phones need to be flashed to run on PagePlus?

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    5. At the moment, some Straight Talk phones, including the iPhone 4s and 5 and the LG Optimus Fuel, work on Page Plus without modifications. Probably others too but those three have been confirmed working multiple times.

      Of the other hand, the Straight Talk Samsung Galaxy S III requires flashing.

      No one really knows if any Straight Talk phones will work on Page Plus once the activation of non-Verizon phones is blocked.

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  3. Verizon doing what it does best. Make money and tightly controlling their customer. Almost as good as Apple.

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    1. Apple did not mind me buying an iPhone that works on Verizon MVNOs, AT&T and T-Mobile prepaid. I did not even have to unlock it, thanks to Verizon's spectrum agreement. Sprint, on the other hand, sold the same model that only works on their network. They will not unlock GSM for use in the US, and they make their customers wait a year or more before they can use it with a MVNO.

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    2. I agree. Verizon are just greedy pigs!!! They loosen up one thing and restrict 3 others. Worst than Apple.

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    3. In response to the one calling Verizon greedy pigs...they have the largest network so they can charge/do whatever they please. Their job is to make money. Period. If you don't like people/companies making as much money as possible then you should turn down the next salary increase you are given, because your employer didn't want to take that increase out of their own pocket and put it in your pocket anymore than you want to give the "greedy pigs" your money. They worked and built the best network in the US and that's why they get to make all that money. Congratulations Verizon for being the best, that's why they have so many customers. What happened to "keeping up with the Jones's"? now we all want to bring the jonses down to our lazy level

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    4. Verizon is bad company for consumers. That's why I would never sign up with them. I rather do business with a customer friendly company like Tmobile and Sprint. They are just too greedy and controlling.

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    5. Just wait until Tmobile and Sprint get the 600MHz band. Verizon and Att greedyness will be over. Can't wait for that. Most of their customers will be switching over.

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    6. Verizon is not bad for the tens of thousands of consumers who live where sprint and T-Mobile didn't bother to build a network. Yes it is nice to have a value leader or two, that's why dollar general is in business. Value. But dollar general doesn't serve everyones needs. For those we have to go to a bigger better store that charges more. Sprint and T-Mobile are cheap because their actual network that they built and pay to upkeep is way less than half the size of Verizon's.

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    7. Yes, Verizon is greedy but you generally get what you pay for. Verizon's overall coverage is superior to the others. I have a healthy dislike of all carriers and MVNOs. They get away with stuff that borders on false advertisement and it's almost impossible to get an recourse for shoddy service. Therefore, I will never sign another contract for cell service. If the provider starts to suck, I want to be able to ditch them.

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    8. Verizon is greedy for making money and charging what the market bears? Wow you guys like children who never took an economics course.

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    9. Every carrier in the US should follow the uncarrirer strategy like Tmobile. That is a more consumer friendly. In Europe people have more choices and freedom.

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    10. To become like T Mobile? As in tear down most of their towers and change from being a real carrier to one that looks good only on paper?

      Uncarrier is right. TMobile has very little presence compared to the actual carriers. They are definitely the least consumer friendly: due to their refusal to serve the consumers that ATT and Vrz serve a lot better... and a lot more of.

      About the defense of Verizon not being "Greedy Pigs"? Making money honestly is one thing. But doing what Verizon has done to stay on top is another... including not following service agreements with customers, deceptive advertising on "unlimited", filing frivolous lawsuits against competitors as a means to success (instead of the more honest approach: provide better services, etc).

      Here is a particularly shameful action by Verizon: they are providing shoddy broadband, and rather than fix the problem, they file a frivolous lawsuit at those who point out the shoddy service:

      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/verizon-claims-netflix-is-driving-its-customers-away-threatens-lawsuit/

      Verizon is also leading the battle against network neutrality, so companies like Verizon can be able to censor and charge more for your broadband traffic based on the actual content of it.

      Sorry, while I am pro capitalist, I do not subscribe to the view that "anything goes"

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  4. Puts a slight crimp on those who flash devices for income as well. Genius seems to have pulled the "permanently flashed" Moto Gs from their website.

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    1. That was at my request. I'd rather play it safe for now and see how this all plays out than to keep selling phones that may not activate by the time the customer gets them. If it turns out to be untrue, and I feel like things will remain the same, I'll start selling again.

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  5. If you want a Boost Moto G on PP (which I have, and encourage everyone do), then hurry.

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  6. Looks like ill hit the pawn shop for a Galexy S4 verizon phone when PagePlus gets 4G.

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  7. No confirmation from Page Plus. In fact just the opposite, no dealers have been notified either. In fact, there is another more plausible rumor that PPC has decided to pay VZW more money to continue activating non-verizon MEID's. Three PPC supervisor say its an ugly rumor

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  8. I have a VERY wild hunch that this spells the beginning of LTE to the MVNOs. But this is just a wild arse theory. I bought an official Verizon 4G LTE phone to be ready for this move. I'll gladly kick AT&T GoPhone to the curb. I'll like having 3GB of data and Verizon's coverage for 5 dollars per month less than AT&T. It's pretty unbeatable. If I got to the point that I need 5GB of data for 69.95, it will be an even greater savings over GoPhone.

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    1. Is it a Verizon Prepaid phone those only work on Verizon plans (all one of them) it won't work on PagePlus.

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    2. Current information suggests there's no such thing as Verizon 4G LTE prepaid phones. The feedback from customers suggest Verizon 4G LTE prepaid phones are the same as their postpaid phones at this time.

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    3. I'm not surprised that the prepaid Verizon LTE phone's hardware and software are the same. But I suspect they will not be whitelisted to allow activation on PagePlus and other MVNOs. Verizon prepaid phones prices are subsidized, Verizon wants them used on their more profitable in-house prepaid plans not MVNOs.

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    4. The Verizon 4G LTE prepaid phones are generally not subsidized. They have temporary prices on the LG models, but the other new phones are all being sold at full price. Customers have indicated that the LG phones were simply postpaid phones, so there's not much reason to suspect that Verizon has a system in place at this time to limit the phones to Verizon prepaid like they do with the 3G models. It's still too early to say for sure what will happen when someone tries to activate the LGs on postpaid or an MVNO. Betting for or against are both speculation at this time, but I'd say the phones currently sold are probably not locked into Verizon prepaid.

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    5. You call an LG G2 for $300 not subsidized.
      Verizon blocks phones from activation on their MVNOs based on the phones ESN the same way they can block a phone reported lost.

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    6. "You call an LG G2 for $300 not subsidized"

      Looking at the prices of NEW phones on eBay, which is as unadorned and unskewed and unsubsidized as one can get, $300 is typical and common for an LG G2.

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    7. I did not say the LG models were not subsidized. I indicated the new phones besides the LG models are full price, and the press release indicates the LG prices are only temporary. My guess would be that the LG price reduction might go away after MVNOs have access to LTE service.

      Clearly neither of us actually have clear information on how Verizon will deal with 4G LTE activation on MVNOs, since no Verizon MVNOs offers LTE service at this time. The only reason I originally replied was to point out that certain aspects of how 3G was handled may not necessarily apply to 4G service. While I fully expect the LG models currently being sold to activate on postpaid and MVNOs, which conflicts with the 3G business model, the bottom line is that I'm simply speculating based on currently available information that is different from what you're using.

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    8. I hope you're right and Verizon Prepaid LTE phones will work on Verizon MVNOs but that doesn't sound like the Verizon I know.

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  9. No more no Verizon phones on Page Plus ? Enough of this, I am moving to GSM with unlocked phones (lots of choices).

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    1. The only GSM carrier with comparable coverage is AT&T. I think I'd rather stick with Verizon.

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    2. I'm switching too!!! I'm tired of putting up with Verizon. Who do they think they are??
      I'm sure they will loose a lot of customers because of this. Anyway their 3g in my area is really slow.

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  10. no more flashing. verizon probably thinks all the flashing that's been happening is lewd behavior. lol

    seriously, verizon probably doesn't want its LTE capacity to be overwhelmed by all the extra sprint phones that'll get flashed to get on the verizon LTE bandwagon. yeah no mo sprint phones on verizon.

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    1. Flashed Sprint LTE phones wouldn't be able to get LTE on Verizon maybe 3G data.

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    2. what's the use of flashing a sprint phone if can't get LTE? why even bother. never understood flashing. yeah flashing really sounds very lewd. lololol

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  11. Heading of this article is sensational...but still very appreciated since it helped me find the truth by calling PP directly. All rumor....for now

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  12. Each time I call and ask I get a different answer from the CSR, s at PagePlus. I doubt they know what is up. Ive asked about 4G and they say no plans for 4G at this time.

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  13. I'm a dealer and to be honest Verizon is the least I want to sell. If the customer doesn't stay for 6 months then I get a charge back. In the prepaid market the average customer only stays for about 3 moths. I cant control how long that. Tell me that's not some crap from Verizon.

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  14. I really hope that this is a rumor/gossip winds up not being true with regard to Page Plus Cellular.. It is very disappointing if Verizon does this with Page Plus. I going to GSM. One can pick from a wide of phones and use ATT or T-mobile networks with many prepaid provider options + easy international use. Good enough for me.

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    1. I agree Verizon MVNOs only work with Verizon phones and Sprint MVNOs only work with Sprint phones.
      AT&T and T-Mobile MVNOs work with any unlocked GSM phone including unlocked phones from AT&T and T-Mobile.

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  15. Each time I call they say it's just a bad rumor. One of the original sources of this rumor was actually from Selectel saying, "Page Plus as of the 29th will no longer.... Since when does selectel have information about Page Plus Cellular? Also if you go ahead and read all of the articles and blogs about this issue no one is quoting Page Plus Cellular. people are either quoting selectel or kitty wireless or this site. Furthermore I've called Page Plus Cellular twice a day for the last week no sign of any changes whatsoever all of my recent Moto G's are activating. feel free to contact me for a kill-the-rumor-special @ jacobginseng@gmail.com God Bless!

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  16. "Update: 7/30/14: Kitty has posted that the non-Verizon device ban on PagePlus "may" have been postponed until 12/31/14"

    I think you are misinterpreting. I think what has been postponed is barring Page Plus Brand phones that are not certified from activation (by any dealer). The extra time is to allow them to get certified or be phased out. This would not affect Sprint phones etc.

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    1. Maybe. no one outside of Verizion really knows what's going to happen.

      But if the problem is that PagePlus devices are not in Verizon's database of certified devices yet, how can Verizon distinguish them from Sprint, etc. devices?

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    2. "But if the problem is that PagePlus devices are not in Verizon's database of certified devices yet, how can Verizon distinguish them from Sprint, etc. devices?"

      Speculation is that many of these models will never be certified, if they never were previously, as that costs a lot of money - instead they will be gradually phased out by year end. Meanwhile, I guess there would have to a software patch to allow them to be activated. I do not know exactly how they would do this but if they have a vendor code of Page Plus buried in the ESN of Page Plus, maybe that could be used. This may actually be what Verizon was reported to be willing to do temporarily earlier for an extra fee.

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  17. I wish someone could confirm the rumor that VZW decided to charge their MVNO's a higher rate for activating non-verizon phones. furthermore I heard that PagePlus decided to pay this higher rate. True?

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  18. You can call me DjTroy: is everyone still flashing OK I assume so. Any more news about PagePlus allowing 4G or when? So far PagePlus says No Plans Yet but I want to hear from others who have flashed their phones or asked about 4G on PagePlus.

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  19. I can confirm this wasn't a rumor. It was a situation that changed, as Verizon got epic flack from not giving MVNOs enough time to react.

    After TracFone got their exemption, the floodgates opened.

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    1. i can confirm and anonymous don't belong on the same page. newsflash: tracfone and page plus are the same company now.. have been for a while same guys who own net ten straight talk etc... people wanna talk about stuff they have no clue about just to hear themselves err... see themselves talk

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  20. What do yo mean "the floodgates opened"? AFAIK only PagePlus can activate non-Verizon phones now, Selectel and BYO can't anymore. If Verizon gave PagePlus an extension, why not the others?

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    1. This is DjTroy: The only thing that makes sense to me is that since Page Plus was one of the pioneer Verizon MVNO's Verizon already had an excellent relationship with PagePlus and therefore didn't want to rock the boat until PagePlus had verizon phones (Most Likely 4G comming Soon)!! when PagePlus gets their 4G phones then IMHO Verizon will establish the block on non Verizon phones. After all if Verizon wants to start weening smartphones to 4G that would be the way to do it and also give promotions to Page Plus customers who already have flashed phones on the 3G network to get a huge discount on a New or certified pre-owned Verizon 4G phone. I'm sure the Galaxy S4 will really be discounted or they may allow a trade in my S4 for a Verizon S4 working on 4G. If that happened I'd jump on that.

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