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LTE on More Verizon MVNOs Soon, Selectel and Puppy SIMs Shipping

It looks like several more Verizon MVNOs are about to offer LTE data. Up to now only the MVNOs with LTE have been TracFone and TracFone owned Page Plus, NET10 and Straight Talk. But this week Selectel Wireless and Puppy Wireless started selling LTE SIMs, although LTE is not yet live on either operator. 

Puppy Wireless tri-cut SIMs, which are scored so that the user can break out a mini, micro or nano SIM from the same card are available from Kitty Wireless at a special pre-launch price of $6 with free shipping. Beginning May 23, the price will be $10. Puppy Wireless SIMs will ship within three business days. Puppy Wireless's owner Kitty estimates that LTE will be operational by the end of May, possibly as soon as this week.

Selectel has begun shipping SIMs to its dealers. At least one Selectel dealer, PrepayRefill.com, is selling tri-cut Selectel SIMs for $3 plus $1.93 shipping. You can get a single SIM for just the cost of shipping using the code freeswsim that PrepayRefill posted on HowardForums yesterday. SIMs ship within 24 hours and PrepayRefill says they expect LTE to be avaialble in "the next week or two".

Surprisingly, neither Selectel or Puppy is saying how much LTE will cost. PrepayRefill says that LTE plans and pricing may be different than Selectel's current 3G plans and to assume that LTE will only be available on $30 and higher plans. Puppy Wireless owner Kitty, says the LTE plans could be up to $3/month more expensive than current 3G Puppy plans.

Verizon sure seems to treat its MVNOs like unwanted step-children. First, they didn't allow LTE on MVNOs at all until long after other carriers. Then they restricted LTE to just one MVNO, putting the others at a huge competitive disadvantage. Now it looks like Verizon is either withholding wholesale MVNO pricing information until the last minute or else is charging a big enough premium for LTE that the MVNOs are afraid to tell their customers what it's going to cost. No wonder there are so few Verizon MVNOs.

I haven't heard anything about LTE coming to the other Verizon MVNOs; BYO, Envie and RedPocket, yet but they need to get on board with it pretty quickly to remain competitive.

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  1. Great info.

    Does that mean that Selectel will allow newer 4G Verizon phones?

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    1. Yes, they will allow Verizon LTE phones on LTE plans.

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    2. That would be great. Just wondering, what is your source of this information regarding LTE phones on Selectel? Thanks,

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    3. Source links ar in the post. If they weren't going to allow LTE phones there would be no need for the Selectel SIMs that are now shipping.

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    4. You can do your own research on prepay refill and the puppy wireless blog.

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  2. Verizon has been the arrogant kid on the block for quite a while. I'm a VZW prepaid customer and they treat us as second class citizens too. I might have to look at going with Selectel once the 4G LTE service starts in earnest. I like the access to VZW's postpaid network.

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    1. Verizon has the best network, and they expanded faster than any other network, how's that old saying go?

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    2. "The bigger they are, the harder they fall"

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    3. Anon: I left Selectel due to the lack of 4G. But their customer service is superb, as is their network... the best.

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  3. I appreciate your hard work and great web site.

    You might want to double check the info about Prepay Refills SIM cards for Selectel. According to the website, it appears they are selling tricut SIMs instead of single and double cut. Here is a link for the page: https://www.prepayrefill.com/product/selectel-4g-lte-sim-card/
    I'm going by what the web page says and can't guarantee I'm right.

    Thanks.

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  4. Kitty said on her forum 2 days ago that she had the LTE plans ready to go, but the MVNOs are waiting to see what the others will charge before going public. She also said she will have a LTE plan for as little as $5. We will see soon. BTW, I got a tracking number two days ago, within 36 hours or order, but no USPS scan has been uploaded to the web yet.

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    1. I ordered my Selectel SIM yesterday and today USPS shows it has departed, doesn't really matter much when you get it until activation is in place.

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    2. I ordered a Selectel sim yesterday and prepay refill said package is on its way. But when I track it just says a ship label was created. Same as kitty situation above.

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    3. Kitty has posted that 4g on puppy is ready to go and she has been using it herself for weeks now and that all that is needed are the sims. So now that the sims are here she has changed that tune. No longer is it that we just need sims, now it's something else! It's always something else with this company! Why is everything so clouded in BS all the time with kitty?

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    4. If you actually paid attention, you would have read there is a test environment, and the production environment. And they have activated a 4G LTE phone using the production platform using the latest APIs from Vzw. Selectel won't be ready until June 1, and Kitty has mentioned that date several times over the past few days. So I guess now we know who is spreading the BS, Anonymous of course, not Kitty.

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  5. Dennis, is it safe to assume that the LTE reception for these carriers will be throttled about the same as Tracphone? I'm typically getting 5 mb down and 3 up

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    1. Probably, Kitty and PrepayRefill have not said anything about faster speeds.

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    2. Kitty has said that she has been using puppy 4g for weeks now but yet will not say how fast data is. Sounds like some more BS.

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    3. I read on the Kitty Forums this morning that Kitty recorded a speed of 5.7 MBPS. She also published all the Verizon throttle settings, and said that MVNOs must pick one of them when they activate a LTE device. There is more info posted about how Verizon is charging for 4G lines and data. It seems to me that Kitty is the only MVNO sharing this information; Selectel is just keeping it to themselves.

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    4. Kitty is the only Vzw MVNO that lets you know what is going on behind the scenes, and asks for input and feedback from customers about what she should offer. Name-calling, non-specific allegations, lies, that is all we hear from the Kitty-haters.

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  6. The coupon works for a free Selectel SIM at https://www.prepayrefill.com/product/selectel-4g-lte-sim-card/ , but now they have raised the shipping price to $5.05 for Priority Mail. So it is actually a price increase of $.12 overall.

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    1. Correction: When I entered my shipping info, I got the option for First Class mail, $2.05. When I paid with PayPal, the order price for shipping dropped to $1.93.

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    2. "but now they have raised the shipping price to $5.05 for Priority Mail. So it is actually a price increase of $.12 overall."

      Nah play with the shipping calculator and you can downgrade shipping to the stated price.

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  7. I'll stay with go phone. Roll over meets as good reception meets better plans and pricing meets local AT&T store customer service.

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  8. Astute observation Dennis in your comment that Verizon is treating its mvnos like "unwanted stepchildren.' This is the reflection of a bigger pattern from all of the big four. Once important in the opening shots of the prepaid wireless war as footsoliders to test new polices and plan pricing ranges, the Big Four, particularly Att, Tmobile and Sprint have taken steps to replace the importance of the mvno in their overall lineup with secondary non branded prepaid divisions.

    Sprint with the largest mvno program of all (over 100 reportedly) has always had a strong prepaid division presence with Boost and even Virgin Mobile so they have been in it from the beginning. But Tmobile with Gosmart and Metro and Att with Cricket are getting into the non branded prepaid division action.
    Mvnos, once third on the tier of importance has been dropped, not just one notch but two with the increase in importance of prepaid in general in wireless, the industry's largest mvno, Tracfone has also gotten larger and more important. It doesn't help that they also have done so by buying out and eliminating some of their more important independent competitors (Page Plus and Simple mobile, once the largest Verizon and largest gsm independent mvnos respectively )
    Before the order was
    1)Postpaid
    2)Prepaid divisions.
    3)Mvnos.

    Now it's:
    1)Postpaid.
    2)Branded Prepaid divisions (Tmobile, Att, Sprint and Verizon prepaid)
    3)Non branded secondary prepaid divisioins (Tmobile's Metro PCS and Gosmart, Sprint's Virgin/Boost mobile twins and Att's Cricket).
    4)Tracfone/America Movil (Tracfone, Net10, Straight Talk, Total Wireless, Telcel America, Simple Mobile, Page Plus)
    5)Independent mvnos (Selectel, Eco Mobile, Real Mobile, Air Voice, Red Pocket, H20/Envie, Ptel, etc).
    The business is consolidating. Weaker , newer players will fail more then succeed and all the money will be going into a more and more limited number of pockets. It will be great for customers, not so much for dealers.
    Just an insider's perspective.

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    1. Interesting analysis, Ike. It should be noted that America Movil and its TracFone subsidiaries are in a unique position with AT&T since AT&T announced in September 2013 that they would be expanding into Latin America through a partnership with America Movil (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/18/us-att-americamovil-idUSBRE98H02Z20130918).

      I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T has some sort of reciprocal agreement with AM to use their towers in South America. If so, it would then be the case that AM's TracFone would have considerable leverage with AT&T when negotiating wholesale rates. It can't be too cozy a relationship, though, with AT&T starting up Cricket in the U.S., and buying Lusacell Wireless in Mexico -- both competing directly with America Movil.

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    2. I've had experience with storefront dealers that is worse than trying to work with Straight Talk, so personally I won't miss the dealers.

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  9. Well Kitty is over on his forum setting the stage for what is either another delay and or that LTE devices will be limited to the higher cost plans like PPC, at least that is how I am reading it. Lamenting that the costs are a burden and that savvy users want something for nothing, woe is me, woe is me. Supposedly playing the waiting game on pricing, I seriously doubt Selectel is waiting to see what Puppy is going to charge, it is more like Puppy is waiting to see what Selectel is going to charge and offer and adjust accordingly. This person is such a BS artist!

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    1. You nailed it! Always something with him (kitty). First comes the endless hype and bravado, then comes the excuses and BS. Rinse and repeat. Such an amateur trying to play with the true mvno professionals. smh

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    2. Kitty is no amateur, but she did put a lot of them out of business over the years. They could not cut it with customer service, or figure out how to automate Pageplus services, so they could now grow. All those angry dealers (virtually all men), still in denial that a woman would beat them and become the largest PagePlus dealer. A pack of insecure, whiny mysognists, making up lies so they could rationalize their failures. After 5 years, we still read this BS. Man up.

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  10. To John Dailey. I believe that there is some kind of connection between Att and America Movil. When Net10 started a few years back , the primary carrier underneath was Att. And ATt has long had a stake in Tracfone though it sold a bit of it a couple of years back. It still has about a 9 percent stake if information is current. http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/att-sells-part-its-stake-tracfone-owner-am-rica-m-vil-564m/2013-06-06

    As for Att, they are going overseas. Just like how Softbank left Japan to come and poach on US shores by buying out Sprint, Att is reaching out to go beyond the US borders as the market here gets more saturated. The buyout you mentioned and the recent Att qcquisition of Nextel Mexico add to the fact that Att is making an aggressive move towards Central/South/Latin America.

    Att and Tracfone are not outright partners but they do have enough vested interest in each other to give each a mutually beneficial relationship as both grow ever more powerful, not just in the US Market but internationally as well. Whether this bodes good or bad for US consumers and others remains to be seen .

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  11. And on top of that, things can even more interesting as there is some belief that Att has hostile intent towards America Movil and the big thing preventing more of it is Att's fear of AM buying out Tmobile , which Att itself failed to do a few years ago...http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/analysts-after-getting-nextel-mexico-att-may-go-after-am-rica-m-vils-assets/2015-01-27

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  12. There is no reason for Selectel or Puppy to list their 4G plans until the SIMs are distributed. They are directly competing MVNOs, both very capable and successful. There should be no serious doubt that they do not want to tip their hand on pricing for their direct competitor. And with Puppy Wireless getting free roaming on the Vzw extended network, the competition is going to be even more fierce. Try to forget the Kitty Hate for a minute, and just think about this from a business viewpoint, if you are able.

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    1. The following reply does not suggest "free roaming on the Vzw extended network".

      http://www.kittyforums.net/showthread.php/7752-Puppy-Data-Overage?p=99741&viewfull=1#post99741

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    2. I have nothing against Kitty, but Puppy Wireless does seem to be offering "free roaming" from what I have read on her forum. Selectel has offers "free" roaming with 3G. With the introduction of 4G, I wonder if Selectel will continue with roaming included in the price.

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    3. Puppy Wireless does not offer voice roaming at this time, and the link above suggest the plan is for "paid roaming".

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    4. Read all the Puppy threads and you will see why he is saying this.

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    5. All one has to do is look at Kitty's scammy extremely poorly designed web site which is all scrambled and completely buries any useful information... and they will run screaming. It's ridiculous; the fonts are giant, requiring scrolling all over. And who has the bright idea that "pale green on white" letters are readable?

      Their main public presence, the web site, shows a major lack of professionalism. I made the reasonable assumption that this lack of professionalism runs through the entire system

      And no, one cannot make the argument that Kitty doesn't waste money on web design so they pass savings to customers etc etc etc: you have to out of your way and spend extra time to make a web site look this bad, and there are countless free web design packages and templates that make it easy to make a good looking and useful site.

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    6. Kitty's website helped her become the biggest PagePlus dealer, so people must have liked all the extra information she provides. I think most customers realize they are buying service, not a website. Strange way to pick a dealer: 'I think the website looks good.' Anyway, there is no accounting for taste.

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    7. It's nigh impossible to find information on that web site, with the giant miscolored letters and scrolling all over. Being able to find information easily on a web site is part of service. It's far and away the worst from any carrier or *VNO.

      I'm sure the website didn't "help" him (Kitty's a dude) become anything. Good communication helps, poor communication hinders. That business has succeeded despite the website.

      When I considered getting Kitty Wireless service, the information I sought (which I easily found on all competitors' sites with very little effort) was not to be found. I had to email them (after finding the email address in their domain record in an external site because it is MISSING from the Kitty page) and wait for hours to get information.

      " Strange way to pick a dealer: 'I think the website looks good.'"

      Not strange at all: managing an account via the web page is a MAJOR part of dealing with a carrier and/or dealer these days. At least this has been the case since the turn of the century.

      Puppy's is a lot better, by the way.

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    8. I could turn their website into a professional looking one, make sure basic information is easily available, make fonts readable, make the email address show, in a matter of 3 hours, tops. It's not rocket science. Then it would help their business, not scare people off.

      Such negligence when it comes to basics does not happen in a vacuum. It's typically a symptom of a lax attitude and ameteurishnesh throughout the organization.

      And the ratings/reviews of Kitty reflect this.

      http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Kittywireless_com

      As it is now, it is like one of those main street shop you see in very depressed areas where the main sign is bare plywood with crude letters spray-painted on as if done by a kid with a spray paint can wanting to put down a slogan in 2 minutes before the cops come.

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  13. Where on the Forum have they stated that Roaming will be included?

    You seriously think Selectel is waiting for 6 month old Puppy Wireless who has a few thousand subs, maybe, to post their plans and charges so they can adjust theirs at the last minute?
    The only one waiting to release their plans because they are waiting to see what the other company is going to offer is Puppy, so they can maximize their charges. The guy constantly insinuates the motive of others when it is actually the motive he holds.

    So much for the Muahahhaa..... My USPS tracking for the Selectel SIM is spot on and I will probably get it before many Puppy die hards get theirs. :p
    Not that it matters anyway since there is no date to activate on either, which begs the question why the need for the Kitty "Muahahhaa..... " thread, other than some sort of subterfuge or just to keep the sheep from wandering off?

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    1. Kitty is going after the sympathy sale now. She said all KW wants to do is help customers. I guess it's desperate times. Whatever works!

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    2. All the Puppy Wireless plans are listed on the PW Forum now. Just add $3 to the 3 lowest plans as suggested earlier; plus they increase the data from 5-15MB to 50MB/month. The higher plans remain the same price. Roaming on the Vzw extended network will be available for the first time, and you can add minutes, texts or mb for 5c each. Below $30/month, the PW pricing looks a lot better than Selectel's single plan of $20/month with no data except 2.5MB/month for mms only. PW will set the throttle at 5 Mbps down, 2 Mbps up, the maximum allowed by Vzw.

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    3. Correction: The $3 extra for LTE is added to the 4 lowest price PW plans, not 3.

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    4. The new Puppy Wireless $14.95/month 250-250 plan with LTE also looks better than the Selectel 3G-only $15/month 300-300 plan to me. PW includes 50MB of data, Selectel only 15MB. Both sell overages for 5c each.

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  14. Selectel sim on the way. I need Verizon coverage.

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    1. Good for you. My Selectel SIM is still stuck in Miami, 3 days after I got a tracking number. No USPS scan.

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    2. Update: After 6 days, my Selectel SIM finally arrived in my area.
      Tuesday delivery estimated, 8 days after order.

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  15. Mine shows:

    Expected Delivery Day:
    Saturday, May 23, 2015

    May 22, 2015 , 2:41 am


    Departed USPS Facility



    BIRMINGHAM, AL 35222


    May 21, 2015 , 2:10 am


    Arrived at USPS Facility


    BIRMINGHAM, AL 35222

    May 20, 2015 , 5:37 pm


    Departed Post Office


    BESSEMER, AL 35023

    May 20, 2015 , 3:29 pm


    Picked Up


    BESSEMER, AL 35023

    May 20, 2015 , 3:07 am


    Shipping Label Created


    MIAMI, FL 33122

    May 19, 2015


    Pre-Shipment Info Sent to USPS

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  16. June 1st 4G is coming to Selectel. It was announced on their FB.

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  17. On the FB Selectel dealer forum, it says there will be a $100 annual plan and a $20/month plan. You can't use the $15/month plan.

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  18. After reading an anonymous allegation that "Kitty" may in fact be a tom-cat, I searched for more info. The BBB site shows the manager/contact person as Miss Katherine White.

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    1. Just more Kitty Hate. Rumors that start on HoFo and get spread by the haters. Maybe somebody, sometime confused her with her brother, Caleb who works or worked at KW. Kitty refers to herself as a "gal," and sounds like a woman on the phone. Just ignore these insecure, low-life types that will type anything to put her down. BTW, her new 4G plans will be a lot more attractive than Selectel's for low usage, and you will have more choices as you do now on Puppy W.

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    2. Anonymous @ May 25 10:31, The President of Kitty wireless is listed as Shawn White. http://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2e7o1l/shawn-white The Manager of Kitty is listed as Miss. Katherine White http://www.bbb.org/boston/business-reviews/cell-phone-and-tablet-equipment-supplies-and-repair/kitty-wireless-inc-in-lincolnvl-ctr-me-126134/ There was some kind of goings on with the president years back. I wish I knew all the details. What I do know is, I've been waiting for Kitty/Puppy to come out with a AT&T plan so much so that I've moved on. I'll leave the rest of what 'I think' as unsaid.

      Dale

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    3. Interesting. Hadn't seen the name Shawn before. For the first several years, at least 2010 and 2011, KW/Kitty described themselves as a two-person business, run by Kitty and her brother Caleb.
      I have spoken to Caleb on the phone twice. Every corp. needs to name officers, so it may be possible that Shawn is another relative. Or maybe Caleb and Shawn are the same person. Kitty says that she is not married.

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  19. "so it may be possible that Shawn is another relative. " Anything is possible.

    Dale

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  20. I've been a Selectel Wireless customer since May 2015. I've bought phones from their web site twice. One of the problems I have with them is after a phone purchase, you get an email confirming the purchase and you don't hear from them again. No email confirming shipment, no tracking number, nothing. The delivery can take so long that you wonder if the order was even successful (even though you got an email confirming it). I don't get why they can't let me know about shipments.

    Another problem is no warranty info on the phones on their site. A chat with one of their reps got me this response when I asked for a copy of the phone warranty: "no written warranty but you can trust us that it's 90 days". WTF????

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